I needed to vent this after having some personal experience with eBay and PayPal and their item/payment dispute process through the resolution center. First of all, I’ll say that despite the issues and complaints I’ve had, I’m still glad they have these services in place. Reason being; it’s great to have help when you need it most.
However, unlike in the past, eBay and PayPal transactions are heavily buyer-focused and rarely favor the seller except in certain cases. While I’m here, I’ll also be grouping in eBay’s feedback system into the mix because it also shows a bias toward buyers. Now, this doesn’t mean that the seller never has any ground to stand on—it just means that the buyer has more leeway in the overall outcome of cases.
My current experience
I sold an old iPhone 3G to a buyer in the Ukraine. The auction, ending on August 14th, went off without a hitch, the buyer paid for the item plus shipping charges the next day and I, as a responsible seller, shipped the item within an hour of receiving payment. I sell a lot of stuff on eBay using through two eBay accounts, therefore I’m always at the post office dropping packages off.
The item went out in a Small Flate Rate Box which according to USPS, takes anywhere from 6 to 10 business days. The item shipped out on August 15th, therefore making the estimated delivery date fall between August 23rd and August 27th (not counting weekends).
Despite these facts, the buyer had sent me six emails asking the same question, and I quote: “Dear seller! Have you sent the goods?!” The first two emails were sent on August 15th, the next three were sent on August 16th and the one was sent on August 19th. Each time, I responded with a YES as well as some detailed information about how the buyer could track his/her purchase through their eBay account along with the estimated shipping information outlined by USPS. The buyer replied once through all this simply saying, “Thanks!”
So I figured either this person has been scammed before or doesn’t really understand how eBay works. To clarify, I use every aspect of the MyeBay account meaning if you bought something from me, you are notified instantly with an invoice, your order status is always visible in your account, a tracking number is inputted instantly since I ship directly through eBay and feedback is left based on the performance of your payment. I find that this is the simplest way to do business on eBay.
However, on August 21st, the buyer opened an item dispute case through PayPal contesting that the item has not been received.
My complaint is very simple. How can a bidder open a case stating that the item hasn’t been received before the start of the estimated delivery period?! Also, why doesn’t PayPal see that tracking information has been clearly entered into eBay while also seeing that a shipping label was bought and paid for through PayPal? When eBay and PayPal merged, it was supposed be mainly to help integrate the two systems to allow for more transparency between the dual transactions (auction functions and payment functions), but it appears that no matter how integrated these systems are, the buyer retains the upper hand almost every time!
While this resolution center is helpful in certain situations, I don’t see how allowing buyers to open cases without meeting specific criteria should be allowed. Granted, normally I would complain about this, but it’s the other side of this story that really irks me. It’s the fact that when a case is open, PayPal immediately withdrawals the total amount of money received from the won auction which may or may not put your account in the red. It did in my case because I don’t keep money in my PayPal account.
Another side-effect is that these cases are always tied to your account for record purposes and I don’t like black marks on my account.
My two cents
I’ve already vented my frustrations with the resolution center, but another gripe I have is with the feedback system. Another feature they removed was the ability for a seller to leave negative feedback. The seller is now only allowed to leave positive or neutral feedback. The reason for this is clear: most sellers would wait until they received feedback from their buyer and then based on that comment, leave one in return. This opened the door for retaliation. So if a buyer left a negative comment because the seller was slow at shipping, the seller could then leave a negative comment back for revenge.
This doesn’t jive well with the whole point of the feedback system because sellers should be leaving feedback based on how fast a buyer paid for an item and nothing else! The buyer is then left to create feedback based on the overall auction experience. eBay could have solved the retaliation by forcing sellers to leave feedback first. This way, before a seller could get their comment, they would have to rate the buyer based on payment speed.
Anyway, I’ll keep this posted updated with any changes, but as of today, the dispute remains open even though the tracking number shows the item moving through the system.
UPDATED: September 8th, 2011
After waiting out the lengthily official “review” process by PayPal, the case has been closed and wouldn’t you know it…the payment was reversed! That’s right, I have now lost the $211 paid by the buyer for my iPhone and since I shipped the iPhone to the customer, I no longer have it either. Well done PayPal! You decided to favor an eBay member only 4 months old who jumps the gun on shipping times and stealing money from a customer that has been loyal to you for many years—not to mention that I’ve been selling on eBay for 12 years.
What’s truly sad about all this is that there’s no recourse. The buyer now has his money back and he will certainly, if not already still receive the item. What’s going to prompt him to repay me for the phone? Absolutely nothing. All I can do now is move forward. However, this time I won’t be taking it so lightly. I’m looking for ways around using PayPal and in short time, I’ll likely be moving my sales over to Amazon.
For all of those out there who take a proactive approach to weeding out potential deadbeat buyers, here’s another username you can add to your blocked list:
5 thoughts on “eBay and PayPal Resolution Center Problems”
Ebay's dispute resolution center heavily favors the buyer. Especially if the buyer knows hoe to game the system there are a few things though that can be done to help even the playing field. Always make sure you buy tracking for any item and enter it into the resolution center. Also, if you have proof of purchase and insurance that will help to.
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As a buyer I strongly disagree, as the following will show.
An Item arrived looking dirty, scratched, bashed and unfit for sale – certainly unsuitable to buy.
The seller wouldn’t agree to anything so we opened a case – which he immediately escalated to a claim.
Details as follows:
Item number: 320753055941
Price: GBP 21.99
Sale date: Sep 04, 2011
PayPal transaction Id: 0FR08500B5777602P
Case ID: 5011438578
Case opened on: Sep 11, 2011
Seller: philpot4052 – registered in USA – based in UK
Problem: Item not as described
Returned via MyHermes – tracking as follows:
Tracking Number: 5932382852098257
24/09/2011 08:34 Signature From Customer
24/09/2011 08:12 Courier Received
24/09/2011 04:48 Out For Delivery
23/09/2011 20:53 Processed at Depot
23/09/2011 20:10 Receipt at Depot
23/09/2011 10:24 Receipt at Hub
22/09/2011 11:48 Sent to myhermes central hub
20/09/2011 11:25 Collected
20/09/2011 04:40 Pick-Up Request Manifested
Result…..which finally was handed down today……
“We were unable to confirm delivery of the item with the tracking you provided. You will not be refunded and the case is closed.” Oct 06, 2011 at 9:47 PM
If that isn’t a total f**k-up then nothing is and is another example of eBay doing one thing and saying another.
‘Buyer Protection’ my a**. Or of you’re in UK – my a***
I had the same ebay buy buy the same phone from me and put me through the almost exact same thing and am having a hard time with ebay and paypal how did you end up getting you money back and what did ebay and paypal say as a justification? any information will help please!
I actually didn't get my money back. What I found out was that the USPS doesn't provide tracking information on International shipments when you use a Small Flat Rate Box or envelope. From PayPal's perspective, if they can't verify that an item was delivered, then they refund the money to the buyer. So as upset as I am, I can really only be mad at USPS for not being able to track Internationally with the box I chose.
This has been on going with eBay since June. Someone Hi-jacked my account.They used my son's name and changed the owner of the account to his name. It was caught when the person tried to change the email address and everything was suspended. The 120 days to close an account is a lie. It has been since June. I am the victim. I still have to lie when I call and say I am my son because that is who ownership was transferred to. Not once have they asked me any of the security questions and for some reason all of the customer service persons sound like young Russian women. Today is 11/30 I have been informed that the account will be closed effective 12/6 (this is since June) and further I can not have another account using my current email address. This is Bull***t. I had 100% positive feedback since 1999.